Joe Lamb: "I know bad things happen. Bad things happen. But you can still live. You can still live."
As Super 8 builds toward its climax we see Joe come face to face with the Alien. Both Joe and the Alien have suffered. How have they suffered? What has caused their suffering? Is Joe’s explanation to the Alien about their suffering Biblical? Should we understand suffering (bad things happening to us) in the same way as Joe? What does the Bible say about that message?
When really bad things happen to those around you how should you understand it (Why do bad things happen)?
I think that Joe has suffered from his separation from Alice and his mom dying in the factory accident. The Alien has suffered because he came to an unknown place and had to find his way around and ended up abducting people. Now everyone hates the alien, but really he doesn't know better. I think that Joe's explanation of the alien is biblical because the Bible says that no matter how much bad we've done in our lives, he will always forgive us and give us a second chance (1 John 1:9 says, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."). I think that we should understand that in the same way as Joe because right now we tend to think that once we do something bad, we will never be forgiven and dread it the rest of our lives, which is completely wrong. Ephesians 1:7 says, " In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace."
ReplyDeleteSo was either the Alien or Joe's suffering caused by their own sin? If so please explain. If not, then how should we view suffering that is not brought about by our own sin?
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The Alien's suffering was caused by its own sin because it was kidnapping everyone and everybody hated it. Joe's suffering wasn't caused by sin, it just kind of happened with the way things played out.
DeleteI believe the Alien was captured and tortured. Then it started hurting people when it escaped.
DeleteI disagree because I didn't see any kind of proof that that the alien was captured and tormented. I believe that the alien did it because it didn't know better.
DeleteTrue point by Justin! I believe the movie never states if it was tortured. (You can tell it was captured because it was in a cell during the part where Joe and the friends watched the lab recordings.)
DeleteI must agree with Mr.Scott though, to much evidence going with it.
I think Joe suffered from his mom dying. I think the alien has suffered because he is on a planet he isn't familiar with, and he doesn't know a way out. "More than that, we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, and hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us." Romans 5: 3-5. In the movie i say that Joe's suffering helped him figure out the alien.
ReplyDeleteI agree that Joe was suffering because of the loss of his mother but I do not understand how the alien was suffering. Could you explain just in more detail?
DeleteI agree with Caroline whenever you stated that Joe and the monster both suffered. I agree because Joe suffered because he lost his mom and that can be very difficult and also, the monster suffered because he was being tourchered by humans and in reality, the monster was not bad and the monster was not hurting them. The monster had a chance to kill Joe, but the monster spared his life.
DeleteI belive that the way that they were suffering was because they both lost a loved one. Joe lost his mother, and the alien lost Mr. Woodward. I feel like that was the way that Joe was able to talk to the alien and relate to him. Also, I think that their suffering wasn't caused by their own sin. They couldn't control what these people did and didn't do. the alien didn't know that Mr. Woodward was going to throw himself out on that track, and Joe didn't know that hs mother was going to die in that factory. Their sin had nothing to do with the death's of those loved ones, and yet they suffered and sinned as a result of it. Their understanding was not biblical, at least not in the beginning. I believe that later on, when Joe started to talk to the alien, he seemed to realize how to deal with it, and finally let go of his suffering, as they showed him letting go of his mom's locket.
ReplyDeleteI agree I think that they both realized they had lost a loved one, and when people realize each others struggles they become closer and learn how to deal with them. I thought at the end when Joe had let go of his locket he was forgiving the Alien for destroying the land and killing people. He was also forgiving himself for beating himself down about his mom, so when he let it go he let go of all the hate and suffering he had built up.
DeleteYeah I see what you mean. It seemed like he was finally letting go after all that time of holding it in his heart. I think he finally realized that beating himself up about it only makes it worse.
DeleteI agree with both of you guys. I also believe that we all need to stay strong through the hard times and we need to stay loyal to God. God will never give us more than we can handle. Even when you think that things can't get any worse, we need to remember that God is on our side and He will never leave us, for he is always with us. We all have suffered before and we need to surround ourselves with positive influences that will give us the right godly advice. Another way to stay strong is to spend time in God's Word, coming closer to Him. Having hard and suffering times can help with our relationship to come closer to God
DeleteI do not agree with the statement that the alien lost Mr.Woodward because the only reason he had a connection with him is because the alien touched him. I think the alien has suffered because hes on a new planet and he lost all his family and friends.
DeleteWell Lexi, I see what you mean, but why would Mr. Woodward throw himself in front of a train if they didn't have a connection with each other?
DeleteI believe Mr. Woodward only wanted to free the alien! I believe an argument can be made for both sides though. I believe that Mr. Woodward was the alien's keeper (Seen in the old film in the school), and after seeing what they were going to do to it, wanted to free it so it may return to its homeworld and not escape and wreck havoc all over our planet in anger.
DeleteYes they have both experienced a terrible incident because they have lost someone that was close to them. I really do not see their suffering as biblical. As Haley thought the locket was really important. I think it was important because he knew he had to let go and move on. Because whether Joe likes it or we like it life moves on. Still I am not saying this was not a big deal it was very sad and I get that and I can really relate with Joe. It is very hard in the beginning but once you let go it seems like a huge burden was let off your shoulders.
ReplyDeleteYes, I agree with all of you they did suffer from losing love ones and being in strange places, but I don't think in my opinion that the alien abducted people because he didn't know better. I think he did it because he was all alone in a different planet and he wanted some friends and needed to find a way back to his home.
ReplyDeleteI agree and see the point you are making, but I feel like he was so out of place and he knew it, that he was trying to do something out of rage. Since he knew he wasn't excepted anywhere and he had developed awareness of this, he began to hate himself. He had dug himself into a hole that he felt he couldn't get out of, so he kept sinning until Joe comforting words reassured him that he can still get out of his bad ways.
DeleteI don't exactly agree with either of these things. I believe the Alien needed something to eat and he didn't like the humans; plain and simple. Sure, he did feel alone, but I don't think that's an accuse for it to kidnap people. He killed about everyone else he abducted that didn't get saved.
DeleteI agree with Lydia. In the movie, when Joe and his friends went into the hole, you could see that the people were wrapped and upside down. I don't think if the alien wanted friends, he would hang them like that. The alien needed to survive. Just like us, it needed food. But all that was available to it was humans.
DeleteI agree too because at the end the boy said to the alien that he knew what it was like to feel alone. He also knew how what position he was in and the alien left him alone which showed that he agreed with the boy.
DeleteNow I agree with all of you the alien had no reason to abduct people even if he was alone.
DeleteI completely agree. The alien was just angry. But that does not meant that he should be able to attack all those people and tie them up. He should have just forgiven them and not attacked. But i can see why he was doing everything that he was doing. I can apply this to my life. When someone wrongs me, i should not try to take revenge. it will just end bad for both of us
DeleteI think that people don't suffer because they sin, but rather because the results of the sin. Things are messed up because of what Adam and Eve did a few thousand years ago. During Bible class, somewhere around late September. Mr. Scott taught us that everything good was turned bad at the result of the fall. Joe's suffering comes from results. In his case, life turned into death.
ReplyDeleteSo Joe's suffering is indeed biblical.
I agree with Charlie that people don't suffer because of their sin but of the result of sin.
DeleteI agree with Charlie much of Joe's suffering comes from results of sinning.
DeleteI agree with Charlie, about people suffer from the result of the sin. The sin affects the person and impacts that person sooner or later directly. The aliens suffering however, was differently than Joe's because Joe was affected by someone else messing up and causing his mom to die. The alien crashed or something and was experimented on and once he became free he tried to protect himself by killing the people he thought would hurt him.
ReplyDeleteSo am I wrong to think that the filmmakers are trying to link Joe and the Alien by saying that they are both victims of bad things that has happened to them?
ReplyDeleteI think you are correct that the filmmakers wanted to link Joe and the Alien. They both had bad things happen to them. Neither did anything to cause the "bad things" directly (that we know of). There is sin and evil in the world, and bad things happen. Also, both Joe and the Alien are sinners, just like all of us.
Delete"Bad things" are so vague. What does it mean? Do bad things refer to what the alien has done, or what people have done to the alien?
DeleteI don't think that the bad things Joe has suffered is directly related to what the alien has suffered, but Joe is trying to diplomatically compromise with the alien.
Joe knows that feel.
I am saying that each faced challenges. Joe lost his mother -- that is a huge loss. The Alien lost his entire life, his home. Joe did not directly cause his own loss. It was not anything he did that killed his mother. The Alien did not directly cause his loss (though you could argue he knew the risk coming to Earth). I am really agreeing with you that there is sin and evil in the world that we face because of the Fall. The Alien and Joe both face these losses. Joe tries to tell the Alien that he (Joe) knows loss just like the Alien knows loss.
DeleteI think you are right because they have both lost someone. Joe his mother, and the alien his home. Unlike the alien, Joe can't have his loss again. Te alien can go home, but Joe cannot go back to his mother.
DeleteI think you are correct, that the filmmakers did want to link the alien and Joe together in saying bad things happened to both of them. In the end, Joe is the one who told the alien that bad things happen and that they still need to live. I think that in that moment they both needed to hear that. It almost seemed to help Joe out himself. Today, people surprise themselves with the advice they give out because sometimes it heals the person saying it more than it does to the one their saying it to. Confusing, but true.
DeleteI agree that the filmmakers were trying to link them together. In the movie both Joe and the Alien helped each other realize that life will go on no matter where God decides to takes us. He has a plan for each and everyone of us. And he will help guide us along the way.
DeleteI agree that the makers of Super 8 were trying to link Joe and the alien together because both of them had suffered and both of them did not quite know how to cope with their sufferings.
DeleteWhen Joe and the alien met at the end Joe had realized that life would go on and he would heal from his sufferings, maybe not completely but he and the alien would survive and push through their troubles.
The alien suffered by being locked up and starved on a planet he isn't familiar with and joe lost his mother when she died during her job. Both the sufferings were caused by the faults of the human race. I don't see Joe's explanation as biblical. I think we should understand things in not only biblical ways but also other ways too
ReplyDeleteThe alien and Joe have both suffered during the movie. The alien suffered when all the townspeople thought that he was bad and trying to hurt them, but in reality, the alien was not bad. Joe was suffering when his father got really mad at him for something that he didn't do. It is biblical because some of us have got accused of something that we havent't done, but we need to stay loyal and trust God. The Bible says that we need still stay tuned to God and not rely others, but we need to rely on God.
ReplyDeleteSo Drew I am confused. What you are saying is that we are not allowed to ask anyone for help but only ask God to help? If I broke my arm, I would pray to God to ask him to heal me and make the pain go away but I would still maybe take medicine for the pain and get a cast by the "others" so my arm would heal. So what are you really saying?
DeleteThe alien suffered because it was tormented by scientists, misunderstood, and trapped on an unfamiliar planet. Joe also suffered because he had lost his mother and his relationship with his father since then was bad. I believe the way Joe explained suffering was biblical because the bible says, "More than that, we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produce endurance." Joe says that you can still live even when bad things happen. This verse agrees by saying you will suffer, but you will live through it and be strengthened from it. Bad things happen because they bring us closer to God. Without bad things we would never have to turn to God for help and wisdom. We would not have much of a relationship with him and He desires to have a relationship with us.
ReplyDeleteWhere is this verse from?
DeleteBoth Joe and the Alien suffered. Joe suffered because he lost his mother and was left with a father who was self-involved. The Alien suffered because he was tortured and held prisoner, and could not get home. Bad things happened to both of them, but as Joe said, they could still live. They were still alive. They could still make the best of a bad situation and live the best life they could. I think this is biblical because I certainly believe that is what God wants us to do. Adam and Eve brought sin into the world. There is evil here now. But, God expects us to continue with our lives here. He was given us wonderful gifts and expects us to try to enjoy them. There is sadness and evil, and we must do the best we can to get through bad times. This world is God’s creation, just as we are God’s creation. We are here, and we should do our best to live a good life, filled with God’s word.
ReplyDeleteI agree with everything Olivia is saying. Joe is suffering from his mom dyeing, but I really think the reason is that Joe’s dad is so caught up in his work and he doesn’t really care about Joe. I didn’t really understand how the alien suffered but I did know he wanted to go back to his planet. I think that what Joe says to the alien is biblical because we need to continue on and live our life glorifying him. God puts those bad situations in our lives so we can come to Him for help. Philippians 4:13 state I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.
DeleteHe has our whole lives mapped out and throughout it there is always going to be little bumps in the road that we can overcome with the Lord.
Both Joe and the Alien suffered. Joe suffered because he lost his mother and was left with a father who was self-involved. The Alien suffered because he was tortured and held prisoner, and could not get home. Bad things happened to both of them, but as Joe said, they could still live. They were still alive. They could still make the best of a bad situation and live the best life they could. I think this is biblical because I certainly believe that is what God wants us to do. Adam and Eve brought sin into the world. There is evil here now. But, God expects us to continue with our lives here. He was given us wonderful gifts and expects us to try to enjoy them. There is sadness and evil, and we must do the best we can to get through bad times. This world is God’s creation, just as we are God’s creation. We are here, and we should do our best to live a good life, filled with God’s word.
ReplyDeleteI think Joe's philosophy was not biblical. God puts negativity into our lives because he wants us to know the world isn't perfect, and when you do face these conflicts God is the only one who can truly help you get over it. Joe made it sound like it was our responsibility to get through things, and that there's nothing that can be done about it, so you just have to keep swimming. This is very Earthly and philosophical, but God is there to help us live through those hard times.
ReplyDeleteCan you biblically support your claim:
Delete"God puts negativity into our lives because he wants us to know the world isn't perfect,".
Very curious where you got this idea from.
I think what Damon means is that the world isn't perfect, so we naturally experience negativity (which I interpret as sin) in our lives. I'm not sure if God put the negativity there, but we did it as a result of the fall.
DeleteI don’t think God “puts” negativity in our lives exactly but I think He allows it to happen. Satan is I this world and he is the one that causes negativity. The only reason God allows Satan to do that is so we can find peace in Him.
DeleteBoth the alien and Joe and faced huge difficulties and felt like no one understood them. One suffered loss, the other suffered cruelty. Two different kinds of pain, but they both felt the same way. I kind of think the two were there for each other, like we should be for others. As Christians we should always be trying to make this world a better place and doing so in fellowship. This Earth isn't perfect, but it is our job as followers of Jesus, to see to it that as many people can make it in to a place that is. Heaven.
ReplyDeleteJoe suffering was because his mother died. He also suffered when he found out that Alice’s dad was the one who killed his mom. Furthermore, he suffered for a bit when he knew Alice was left in the town and she might die. The alien mainly suffered because of all the scientist and researchers who tested on it and when the army was shooting rockets at it. It also suffered because he was stranded on earth and away from where ever he came from. Both of their sufferings came from another human sinning. Joe suffered because of Alice’s dad mistake and the alien suffered because of the humans abusing it. Joe’s saying is biblical because in 1 Corinthians 10:13 “No temptation has overtaken you that are not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it”. Says that sin affects everything good but you just have to push through it and remember that Jesus is using your suffering to be in his plan.
ReplyDeleteFor Joe the bad thing that happened was the death of his mother, and for the alien it was being kept on a planet it didn't want to stay on and being hunted. Death and the freedom of will caused their pain throughout the entire movie. I think somewhat his explanation is biblical. When bad things happen we shouldn't spend our lives grieving over it, but instead learning from it. I think we should understand bad things the same way Joe does. No matter what happens, we can still live. It's all up to us decide this, though. Jeremiah 29:11 says, "For I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope." Even if bad things happen to us, God does it for a reason. Something good will be the outcome of that something bad in the end. We should understand it as a part of the plan God has for us in our lives. Everything happens for a reason.
ReplyDeleteWhat is the context of Jeremiah 29:11? Was God talking to us today in 2013?
DeleteGod was speaking to a whole nation at the time he said this; God was talking about the Israelites coming out of exile after 70 years. Apparently this verse is bigger than any of us can imagine so we shouldn't exactly take it indivisually.
DeleteJoe and the Alien are a lot alike in their sufferings and how it has affected them.
ReplyDeleteJoe has lost his mother and his "Town". At the start of the movie, We see Joe sitting outside of his mothers funeral. The movie seems to hint that she is a major factor for Joe. The death of Joe's Mom also further separates the connection between him and his dad. This connection is then restored by the end of the movie, where Joe and his friends save their little town, release the Alien, and expose the governments wrong doings.
Alien has lost his freedom and his spaceship. The movie never says how the Alien got here, nor how long it has been here, but it seemed like it has been here for a while in captivity and wanted to return home. Joe and his friends finally "release" the alien and he goes home with his ship, restoring peace in the town.
Bad happens all around us, from the little to the massive. We, as a people, need to be able to unite as on to a common goal in times of need. I have seen this through the events like 9/11. A nation of power, hit from something we didn't see. We united as one, helping those in need. We surrounded the grieving in our love, bonded by the simple will to repay. We followed this motive, moving to the middle east, to remove the threat and free the people that were held as slaves. Unity is a beautiful thing, one man can do some good, but a group of people can shatter evil and institute good.
The way Joe had suffered was the death of his mother. The Alien had suffered by being held captive on the planet and hurt by the humans. The frequent causes of death and lack of freedom caused most of the suffering throughout the movie. I don't particularly think the Bible disagrees with what Joe said. God says that we most look to Him in times of trouble. That is similar to when Joe said, "You can still live." The Bible and what Joe said does not say to kill yourself when bad things happen. If nothing bad happened in life, I personally believe that we would be as close to God as we are today. We wouldn't need anything to lean on in times of need. You may not know it, but the small incidents you encounter today can make you closer to Him. One of my favorite quotes says, "God gives his hardest battles to his strongest soldiers." Everything that happens in your life, the good and bad, is a part of His plan.
ReplyDeleteJoe has suffered through many things but, the main thing that he has suffered through was the death of his mother. The Alien is stuck on Earth and has been captivated by humans, and all it wants to do is go back to it's home. Joe has gone through emotional pain with his mother. The Alien has gone through both physical and emotional pain. The physical pain is the captivity and the emotional pain is not being able to go back to it's home. I do not believe that Joe's explanation was biblical, but that we should look at it in a biblical way.
ReplyDeleteJoe not only lost his mom he lost his dad in the process. When his mom died it's like his dad died with her, because he didn't smile agin, he wasn't happy. All he did was work and work and work. He never asked Joe how was your day? He never hugged him, never said goodnight. H wasn't being a father to Joe. He wasn't there because he was empty without his life. Joe's father didn't understand Joe the way his mom. Thats how Joe suffered. The monster sufferd as well, in almost the same ways as Joe did. No one understood the monster unless he touched you. Same way Joe's dad didn't understand him. All the monster wanted to do was rebuild his ship and leave. He didn't hate us we drove him to hate us. We caused the alien's pain. When Joe says "I know bad things happen, but we can still live". I would say true it can resemble the bible because the bible tells us when bad things happen put your faith in God. Its like saying that.
ReplyDeletethe way you worded joes moms and dad was very strong. saying he lost his mom physically but his dad mentally. I really like that. i feel like the monster and joe helped each other out in way mentally they had both lost something mentally and physically
DeleteI see what you mean when you say that Joe lost his dad but i thought that Joe and his dad seemed fairly close to me. I think they understood each other. I understand what you mean but I just don't really agree. I like what you said about how we should put our faith in God.
DeleteJoe is the one who was suffering because he lost his mom and was left with his dad but his dad did not understand him. Joe felt alone. The alien also felt that way. He just wanted to go back home but the people didn't see him that way. They saw him as a bad creature. That is why Joe and the alien understood each other. Joe might think he is a good person and might say why does this happen to me? in romans 3:12 is saysAll have turned away,
ReplyDeletethey have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.”
bad things happen to everybody . not just "bad" people. you just have to trust God
Joe has suffered because of the loss of his mom and the alien has suffered because he was being forced to live on Earth while all the humans tourcher him. Both of their sufferings were caused by the loss of something. The alien had lost his home and needed to get back in order to be happy again. The question that still gets to me about this movie is: Is Joe's explanation to the Alien about their suffering Biblical? Here is what I think. I assume, by no means does God strongly disagree with this passage, but I think it the bible explains this in a different way. In Romans 8:28 it says, "All things work together for good to those who love the Lord, to those who are called according to His purpose" This says the same message that Joe meant, but explains that your life plan is God's plan, not yours. God already has everything mapped out for us, so when something bad happens, it's just apart of the plan. We need to understand that everything happens for a reason, the good and especially the bad.
ReplyDeleteDo bad things ever happen to us because we are bad? In other words if I cheat on my math test and then get in a car accident on the way home should I think that that happened to me because I was being bad? Is my logic faulty? Why or why not? Does the Bible help us think through this? Where?
ReplyDeleteJust thought I would stir the pot up a bit.
God knows what's going to happen. He may punish us as a result of our sin. He already punished us with death, as said in Romans 6:23. "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of god is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord." God's pretty much saying, "You messed up. You're going to die. But I have grace and I will not only give you life, but eternal life."
DeleteA clear example is from David committing adultery with Bathsheba. He sinned, and God punished him with his firstborn dead.
If you mess up, don't consider it a coincidence if you're punished.
I feel that in some way karma is possible because sins do not go unpunished, whether it has to do with the sin or not. If you are caught by another person or not God knows what you did. Sometimes he does give us mercy and grace, but if we stray too far for too long I feel that it is right to punish someone. There are many places in the bible where God has punished people "silently".
DeleteI am curious... where has God punished people "silently"? Also, what exactly do you mean when you say "karma"?
DeleteI'd like to go off of what C. Wu said, but explain what I got from what it says in Romans 6:23, "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of god is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord." I think that God does not punish us for our sin because this verse is saying we deserve to die for our sins, but if we accept Christ he forgives us completely. If this is true then, I believe that God does not intentionally punish us for our sin. We can not be perfect. God knows that. I do not think he would punish us for something we can not help. That is why we have Jesus. Our sin does have consequences, but God comes along side us to help us with it.
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DeleteHow does he punish us then H. Hull? By a bowl of cards and an unlucky draw? We are punished for our sins with death and removal of God for eternity. He punishes us because we messed up. If you mess up something important for your mom, she will most likely punish you. We are spared by God's grace through Jesus, and what he did on the cross for everyone.
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I have also struggled with when does God punish us. Does he do it every day, every second, or on one day where he piles all your sins together. This could be the "karma" M.Blum is talking about.
P. Willis, Satan tempted Adam and Eve so they brought sin into the world. It is Satan who tempts us to sin which is what makes our world messed up. It is not God's doing. I do not think that God punishes us for our sin because he already payed the price for it. That is why we do not have to make sacrifices and things like that anymore like they used to because Jesus was our sacrifice. I do not think "karma" is biblical. Sometimes God sometimes allows bad things to happen to discipline us or bring us closer to him, but I do not believe he causes them.
DeleteIn Super 8 both the Alien and Joe have suffered. The Alien just wants to be free and has always been trapped. Joe’s mother has just died and does not have that great of a relationship with his father. For the Alien humans has always caused his suffering. They always look at him like he some terrible creature that needs to be controlled. For Joe it was an accident. You can’t really change what has happened. Joe tell the alien that bad things happen. You may not be able to do anything about them so, you get up and brush it off. At the end everything will be ok. Yes I think his explanation is biblical be cause God says he will always be there for us. Also not to worry because he will help you.
ReplyDeleteIn the movie it clearly states that Joe was suffering from two things: The first one was his mother's death and struggling with that, the other one was the horrible things he had seen when the Alien was running around the town. The alien's suffering is from the scientists because they had captured him and were doing tests on him. Towards the end the alien spoke with Joe and told him that he wanted to go home. I think this is biblical because Joe is like people in the world, we pray to Jesus (the alien in the movie), and the alien is like Jesus, he suffered to and he will listen to us and tell us everything is going to be ok. The Bible says we should put all of our trust in God, and Joe trusted the alien that he wouldn't hurt anyone anymore. Just like we should trust God.
ReplyDeleteBoth suffered but they both suffered in different ways. In many ways it shows us how we are broken and need God. The alien suffered because he was not being understood by the people and scientists. He was scared and just wanted to go back home. In many ways we can relate to this because there is always some time in our life where we start to miss home and just want to go home.
ReplyDeleteJoe suffered in a different way however. Joe was still very upset about the loss of his mother and again we can all relate to that at some point. Another thing that he was facing is that he did not have a good relationship with his father. They both are going through really tough times in their lives but in the end we can always make it through.
I like how you connected people (us today). I didn't think about how we could relate to the alien. And you are right they're is a time.when we just want to go home.
DeleteJoe and the alien have both suffered. Joe has suffered when he lost his mom. It has always been a struggle for Joe after he lost his mom. And his dad also does not even understand him. The Alien has suffered because it has been kept from its home. It has been on earth held captive for a while and it wants to go home.
ReplyDeleteJoe not only lost his mom. He lost his dad also. At the begining I could already kinda tell that Joe and his dad weren't "best friends." The alien suffered because he was scared and felt alone. I mean i would feel alone if I got thrown in a cage and some weird guys were running tests on me and studying me.
ReplyDeleteThe Alien's suffering was caused by its own sin because it was kidnapping everyone and everybody hated it. Joe's suffering wasn't caused by sin, it just kind of happened with the way things played out.
ReplyDeleteThe alien's suffering came from it being locked up for so long. Joe's was from his mother dieing. The Bible totally agrees with this saying, just look at the book of Job. All kinds of bad things happen to Job but he still lives and gets through it.
ReplyDeleteJoe has suffered from losing his mom and the alien has been tested and kept prisoner from going home. I think Joe's explanation is biblical. The Bible says to move on through suffering. Let it go. In the world we see a lot of bad things we don't understand, but I don't think it's the why so much as it is to how we handle it.
ReplyDeleteJoe was suffering from the lost of his mother, and the Alien was suffering because it was getting tested on so it couldn't get home. Joe explanation was biblical because if you want to move forward sometimes you have to let go of the past in order to move forward.
ReplyDeleteWe should understand suffering because we all have gone through something. Some of us have gone through great suffering for instance like Job lost everything, but he had to keep moving forward. It was hard, but God help him.That is what the bible is saying. Life is hard and we will run into bumps in the road, but God can help us get through it.
ReplyDeleteI would have to agree. God does discipline us, and we shouldn't be surprised when we get punished. God is a figure of moral principles, and one of those is discipline. But, we should always try to good, not because of the punishment that lies if we don't, but because we are asked to.
ReplyDeleteThat is so true. God has great principles and if we follow them our relationship with God gets stronger. Great connection.
DeleteThey suffered because they both knew what it was like to feel like you are not heard. Joes suffering is biblical cause sometimes we feel like we are not heard by God when we pray and he automatically doesn't answer our prayers as soon as we want him to.
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Not only that, but we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, and hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us.
I partially agree with Natalie. For some explanation, Joe was always feeling that he was ignored by his dad. How did I know that? His dad was always kind of angry at Joe, saying that he shouldn't hang out with these kids, and that he should go to this baseball camp. Joe's dad seems vaguely interested in what Joe's doing.
DeleteAs for the alien, I'm not sure how he's being ignored. On the contrary, the alien seems to be getting all of the attention.
They both suffered because they both lost a loved one. Joe lost his mom in the factory accident and the alien lost all his family and friends. Both of there suffering wasn't cause by there own sin the alien had no idea that one day he was just going to randomly get put on earth, and Joe didn't know his mother was going to die in a factory accident. Joes reference was biblical because in order to move forward with you life you have to let go of your past.
ReplyDeleteJoe was suffering throughout the movie because his father never spent enough time with him, his mother was deceased, he couldn't be friends with Alice, and he was judged by Mr. Dainard as Mr. Lamb’s son. The Alien was suffering because it spent all those years being locked up and restrained from going back home.
ReplyDeleteFor Joe what had caused his suffering would be his father being tied up with his job as a police officer, him losing his mother to the factory accident, Mr. Dainard and Mr. Lamb disliking each other, therefore disliking each other’s kids. For the Alien what had caused its suffering would be the government locking it up all those years, being tortured, and its spaceship crashing onto Earth years earlier.
ReplyDeleteI believe that Joe’s explanation to the Alien about their suffering is Biblical because he stated to the Alien that he could still live. This can relate to us a lot because no matter how many sins we have committed, God will always forgive us and we will still be in the presence of Him.
ReplyDeleteYes, Joe and the alien have suffered. Joe suffers from the loss of his mother, the bad relationship he has with his father, and the nonacceptance from Alice's father. The alien has suffered from being forced to stay on Earth rather than being able to travel back home, and being tested and disturbed by an unknown race. What Joe says can be considered biblical, but it can go either way. I think it is somewhat biblical, and I really like the verse that Caroline used: Romans 5:3-5 "More than that, we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, and hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us." I feel this verse really speaks to those who are suffering and are in need, and it is in a way that little push to keep going. When I think of a bad situation or problem, I truly think of it as a test from God to see how much we put our trust into Him and if we would actually seek His help and guidance.
ReplyDeleteI understand what Justin said very early in the conversation: "I disagree because I didn't see any kind of proof that that the alien was captured and tormented..." There is proof in the videos that Joe and his friends found that the alien was captured and not permitted to leave though. And when I say that I understand what Justin meant, it doesn't completely mean that I agree with all that he is saying. You can only imagine that that was what was going on with the alien, that it was being tortured in some way. I think of it as torture enough to be the only one of your kind on a completely random planet, with life forms that don't understand you, poking and prodding you to see what you're like and how you react. I would just want to huddle up in a corner and try to escape with any chance I got.
ReplyDeleteMr. Scott's class is finished with the project.
ReplyDeleteThey both suffered. In joe's case, he had lost his mother and his father became very distant with him. He began to feel very alone. The alien, had lost his only friend who was actually trying to save the alien. His best friend was mr. woodward.
ReplyDeleteAlso I believe that we can see joe and the alien relate in the end which is kind of weird because they have a similar kind of hurt.
ReplyDeleteJoe lamb in the end realized that because the alien like opened his eyes to him to show joe that he also had feelings. He also made that look like the lien had a soul
ReplyDeleteThe way that joe lamb explains to the alien about suffering is not biblical because he was just talking about how everyone goes through hard times, and you just need to get through them. Not those words exactly but in a general point of view. A biblical way to have said this would be "even though we may all go through really hard times of suffering and hurt, we must remember that our reward is eternal life!"
ReplyDeleteI think that Joe was suffering from loosing his mother and that was very hard for him to handle. the alien suffered by everyone trying to kill it and by everyone trying to capture it. it would have been captured, it would have been tested and put through all kinds of weird proses.
ReplyDeleteI agree with M. Lewis his father never did spend time with him. if he would have spent more time with him, they would be more close and Joe would not be so sneaky.
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